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2012\07\03@094829 by John Ferrell

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A couple of URL's I found interesting this morning...
ttp://http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/575960623/ardusat-your-arduino-experiment-in-space

http://codebender.cc/
I find myself using my Laptop as a remote terminal more and more. I have a new laptop coming any day now& I am not looking forward to repurchasing and moving my current environment from the old to the new...

An ISP that offers my set of apps for $20 option per year starts getting really interesting! That is not in the offering, just my daydream!

-- John Ferrell W8CCW
“During times of universal deceit,
  Telling the TRUTH becomes a revolutionary act”
     George Orwell

2012\07\03@143746 by Harold Hallikainen

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> http://codebender.cc/
> I find myself using my Laptop as a remote terminal more and more. I have
> a new laptop coming any day now& I am not looking forward to
> repurchasing and moving my current environment from the old to the new...
>
> An ISP that offers my set of apps for $20 option per year starts getting
> really interesting! That is not in the offering, just my daydream!
>
> --
> John Ferrell W8CCW

So, would this "software as a service" model apply to Microchip? Will we
see MPLAB as an HTML5 application? Javascript interface to a debugger???

Harold




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2012\07\04@002524 by John Ferrell

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May be.
The most secure, complete and best all around performer will always be that which the user has under complete control.
OTH, if a vendor provides the necessary software to use its product as a web application they can introduce users to the product without facing the problems of the operating systems, install problems, pre reqs, environment conflicts or storage considerations.

I keep coming back to the question of how many compilers (or word processors) really need to be bigger than a 64k DOS .COM file...

On 7/3/2012 2:37 PM, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
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-- John Ferrell W8CCW
“During times of universal deceit,
  Telling the TRUTH becomes a revolutionary act”
     George Orwell


2012\07\04@144603 by Harold Hallikainen

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> May be.
> The most secure, complete and best all around performer will always be
> that which the user has under complete control.
> OTH, if a vendor provides the necessary software to use its product as a
> web application they can introduce users to the product without facing
> the problems of the operating systems, install problems, pre reqs,
> environment conflicts or storage considerations.
>
> I keep coming back to the question of how many compilers (or word
> processors) really need to be bigger than a 64k DOS .COM file...
>

Word Star! I ran it on 8 inch floppies under CP/M. When MS-DOS took over,
I found a program called z80mu that would emulate CP/M under MS-DOS (and
Windows, at least up through Windows 98). I used it to run WS, dBase II,
and cross-assemblers for the MC6800 up through 1999 when I had to do some
Y2K fixes for some 6800 code. I still have that 80286 computer with DOS
and z80mu, though I have not powered it up in 5 or 10 years.

Harold



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2012\07\04@161257 by Veronica Merryfield

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On 2012-07-04, at 11:45 AM, Harold Hallikainen wrote:

>> I keep coming back to the question of how many compilers (or word
>> processors) really need to be bigger than a 64k DOS .COM file...
>
> Word Star! I ran it on 8 inch floppies under CP/M. When MS-DOS took over,
> I found a program called z80mu that would emulate CP/M under MS-DOS (and
> Windows, at least up through Windows 98). I used it to run WS, dBase II,
> and cross-assemblers for the MC6800 up through 1999 when I had to do some
> Y2K fixes for some 6800 code. I still have that 80286 computer with DOS
> and z80mu, though I have not powered it up in 5 or 10 years.

I use to use Perfect Writer on a CP/M machine with 3 5.25" floppies. Had DbaseII also.

I remember having to rewrite sections of the libraries handling longs in the early Astec C compiler I use to use. Builds use to keep those floppy drives busy, almost musical.

My current version of LCC is small but not less than 64K. I wonder how much of that is due to it not being on an 8-bit machine.


2012\07\04@201949 by John Ferrell

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Further off topic...
I recently discovered a program (Notepad++) that has an assortment of features that allow the use of customizable controls. Not quite as convenient as Wordstar, but it does minimize the mouse-work. As I age, my control with the mouse suffers but the keyboard seems to be fine. I really do need to be able to cut & paste from the keyboard with characters, words,lines and paragraphs.

The trend seems to be to eliminate the command line, but for me I work better if I don't need the mouse.

On 7/4/2012 4:12 PM, Veronica Merryfield wrote:
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-- John Ferrell W8CCW
“During times of universal deceit,
  Telling the TRUTH becomes a revolutionary act”
     George Orwell


2012\07\05@170047 by Peter Johansson

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On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:19 PM, John Ferrell <spam_OUTjferrell13TakeThisOuTspamtriad.rr.com> wrote:

> I recently discovered a program (Notepad++) that has an assortment of
> features that allow the use of customizable controls. Not quite as
> convenient as Wordstar, but it does minimize the mouse-work. As I age,
> my control with the mouse suffers but the keyboard seems to be fine. I
> really do need to be able to cut & paste from the keyboard with
> characters, words,lines and paragraphs.
>
> The trend seems to be to eliminate the command line, but for me I work
> better if I don't need the mouse.

Happy Emacs user of 25+ years here.  ;-)

-p

2012\07\06@112657 by Neil Cherry

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On 07/05/2012 05:00 PM, Peter Johansson wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:19 PM, John Ferrell <.....jferrell13KILLspamspam@spam@triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I recently discovered a program (Notepad++) that has an assortment of
>> features that allow the use of customizable controls. Not quite as
>> convenient as Wordstar, but it does minimize the mouse-work. As I age,
>> my control with the mouse suffers but the keyboard seems to be fine. I
>> really do need to be able to cut & paste from the keyboard with
>> characters, words,lines and paragraphs.
>>
>> The trend seems to be to eliminate the command line, but for me I work
>> better if I don't need the mouse.
>
> Happy Emacs user of 25+ years here.  ;-)

33 Here!

>From a Mt Xinu Calendar:

To exit Emacs use save-buffers-kill-terminal to save and exit. Emacs uses a
2 key sequence (^X^C) to make it easier to type.


I'm not sure of many editors that are much more flexible. It is one of the
difficulties of using Eclipse is that it lacks so many features of Emacs.
Besides, after 33 years of using it, my fingers know what to do. ;-)

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2012\07\13@050557 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Jul 6, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Neil Cherry wrote:

>> Happy Emacs user of 25+ years here.  ;-)
>
> 33 Here!

About that.  ITS Emacs, TOPS20 Emacs, Tenex Emacs, FINE, Mince, elle, CCA Emacs, Gosling Emacs, and some others.  Having it on every OS was one of the Best Things Ever.

I miss TECO minibuffers, though.  Sniff.

BillW

2012\07\13@105232 by Peter Johansson

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On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 5:05 AM, William "Chops" Westfield
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> About that.  ITS Emacs, TOPS20 Emacs, Tenex Emacs, FINE, Mince, elle, CCA Emacs, Gosling Emacs, and some others.  Having it on every OS was one of the Best Things Ever.

I was pleased as punch when I brought up OS/X for the first time and
discovered that Emacs was included in the default install.

-p

2012\07\13@125941 by Neil

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EDLIN  FTW! :)


On 7/13/2012 5:05 AM, William "Chops" Westfield wrote:
> On Jul 6, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Neil Cherry wrote:
>
>>> Happy Emacs user of 25+ years here.  ;-)
>> 33 Here!
> About that.  ITS Emacs, TOPS20 Emacs, Tenex Emacs, FINE, Mince, elle, CCA Emacs, Gosling Emacs, and some others.  Having it on every OS was one of the Best Things Ever.
>
> I miss TECO minibuffers, though.  Sniff.
>
> BillW
>

2012\07\13@130716 by William Couture
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On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Neil <EraseMEpicdude3spam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTnarwani.org> wrote:

> EDLIN  FTW! :)
>
>
> On 7/13/2012 5:05 AM, William "Chops" Westfield wrote:
>> On Jul 6, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Neil Cherry wrote:
>>
>>>> Happy Emacs user of 25+ years here.  ;-)
>>> 33 Here!
>> About that.  ITS Emacs, TOPS20 Emacs, Tenex Emacs, FINE, Mince, elle, CCA
>> Emacs, Gosling Emacs, and some others.  Having it on every OS was one of the
>> Best Things Ever.
>>
>> I miss TECO minibuffers, though.  Sniff.
>>
>> BillW

http://xkcd.com/378/

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2012\07\13@132827 by Bob Ammerman

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> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Neil <KILLspampicdude3KILLspamspamnarwani.org> wrote:
>
>> EDLIN  FTW! :)
>>

VEDIT from CPM days, still using it for special purposes under Windows
Very powerful macro language.

-- Bob Ammerman
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2012\07\14@200229 by Neil Cherry

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On 07/13/2012 01:07 PM, William Couture wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Neil <RemoveMEpicdude3TakeThisOuTspamnarwani.org> wrote:
>
>> EDLIN  FTW! :)
>>
>>
>> On 7/13/2012 5:05 AM, William "Chops" Westfield wrote:
>>> On Jul 6, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Neil Cherry wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Happy Emacs user of 25+ years here.  ;-)
>>>> 33 Here!
>>> About that.  ITS Emacs, TOPS20 Emacs, Tenex Emacs, FINE, Mince, elle, CCA
>>> Emacs, Gosling Emacs, and some others.  Having it on every OS was one of the
>>> Best Things Ever.
>>>
>>> I miss TECO minibuffers, though.  Sniff.
>>>
>>> BillW
>
> http://xkcd.com/378/
>
C-x M-c M-FTW ;-)

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2012\07\14@212108 by Tamas Rudnai

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On 6 July 2012 08:26, Neil Cherry <TakeThisOuTncherryEraseMEspamspam_OUTlinuxha.com> wrote:

> To exit Emacs use save-buffers-kill-terminal to save and exit. Emacs uses a
> 2 key sequence (^X^C) to make it easier to type.
>

Like in vi where you type ZZ

I'm not sure of many editors that are much more flexible. It is one of the
> difficulties of using Eclipse is that it lacks so many features of Emacs.
> Besides, after 33 years of using it, my fingers know what to do. ;-)
>

That's why many times I just ignore the different editors in all kinds of
IDEs and just use my favourite which is vim (no offence to Emacs users
here, but in terms of flexibility these are pretty much the same, I just
like vi better). Most modern IDE can recognise if the source has been
changed, and then the IDE is very handy compiling and debugging.

Tamas



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